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I posted and paid for a real estate ad. I have the ad ID #. I emailed cust support, no response since this morning. What has occurred? I needed to speak to someone, pls help!my ad is not posted.
Im sorry im not trying to be an ass. But maybe some more information would be helpful. Did you post it online, did you post it in a newspaper, did you post a tv ad?
Where did you post it, there are maybe 1 million places you could have posted it. Do we have a name of the company or a website.
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I think the issue is what do you mean by "fiercely fought?"
For instance, I think the retreat from the Chosin reservoir would qualify. Not a victory by any means but some difficult circumstances, amazing bravery, stunning amounts of casualties by both sides (Chinese and US forces).
Additionally, a lot depends upon the unit level. There are plenty of instances of units that were practically wiped out or found themselves in desperate situations–we could come up with probably 40 instances in just the civil war where this was the case. And if you're about to die, it's pretty fierce fighting. By almost all accounts, Custer's boys went down quickly and chaotically at the Greasy Grass but I have no doubt it was very fierce (though from the Cavalry's perspective–ineffective) fighting. Jim Webb once said that when it comes to combat, it's all fierce and it doesn't matter what the terrain is or the war, there are always desperate moments.
It also depends upon your perspective. The Union troops at Fredericksburg probably put on the most stunning display of guts and bravery in US military history–to repeatedly charge that stonewall at Marye's heights on open ground up that slope. But I doubt we'd say that it was fiercely fought on both sides given the confederate advantages in terrain and defense.
My candidates (admittedly subjective) with a quick rationale for their inclusion:
1. Antietam. Bloodiest day in US history. 1/2 of all Confederates and 1/3rd of all Union troops who fought in the Northern part of the battlefield (The Cornfield, the West Woods, Dunker Church) were casualties. Every 2 seconds there was a casualty in the first phase of the fighting of the battle. Worst percentage unit losses for both sides in a single engagement (1st Texas Brigade and a Regiment from Massachusetts–both over 80%) during the entire war at this battle. For my money, The Cornfield was the most contested, fiercely fought piece of real estate among veteran, well-led, motivated US troops. Changed hands 13 times and the elite of both sides (Stonewall Brigade, Texas Brigade, Iron "Black Hat" Brigade) were devastated in this intense piece of fighting.
2. Spotsylvania Courthouse. Confederate troops in the Bloody Angle didn't get the word to exchange powder (there was a damp mist that night) so when a surprise assualt by Upton's men hit them, fighting was mostly hand-to-hand LITERALLY. There were a series of log breastworks with troops on both sides poking bayonets and rifles through the log chinks or stabbing over the top of the breastwork to the other side and this type of warfare went on for hours. One account said that at some point there were 2-3 layers of dead bodies pressed down into the mud created by the rain and blood, and men went insane, unable to retreat, no safety, nonstop fighting by bayonet, clubbed rifle. The Stonewall Brigade (the South's best unit) effectively ceased to exist after this battle.
3. Belleau Woods. It's the USMC we're talking about (not the US Army) in this instance. Perhaps the most difficult terrain any US Military unit has EVER fought over, including Missionary Ridge and Devil's Den. A dense tangle of shrubs, woods, brush, ravines all fortified by dugouts and German maxim guns with green troops that did not have a numerical advantage going into desperate action to reverse the German advance that threatened to tear open the Allies.
4. New Guinea. Raw US troops, amazingly difficult terrain just to get to the fighting (Ghost mountain, malaria, starvation) that was even worse than Guadalcanal. Most units of the 38th Infantry Division suffered 90% casualties during this fight. This was also before the US had studied malaria and discovered about mood swings produced by excessive amounts of quinine so you also had instances of suicide and insanity.
5. Shiloh. Staggering degrees of senior incompetence (one of Grant's few bouts with stupidity, Johnson's poor plan), lots of cowardly behavior (the scene at Pittsfield Landing). But the Hornet's Nest was one of the 2-3 most intense battle spots in the entire war–just an amazing killing zone. And the casualties over two days were staggering.
6. Ia Drang. You really need to include both battles here, (Nov. 14th and Nov. 18th) for X-Ray and Albany. They were notable because in what Americans think was just a guerilla war against guys in black pajamas, this was the first of what would become a series of regular army fights between the NVA and US Army and this was the bloodiest. There are still some American infantry from Vietnam who believe that the US lied about our casualty figures at Albany, the fighting was so bad in that ambush. There was probably no more desperate fight in Vietnam than this one with the potential for complete anhilation of two Americans units so near a thing. Approximately 500 US troops from the 1st and 2nd Battalion of the 1st Air Cav with over 400 casualties.
7. Hamburger Hill in Vietnam. Officially Hill 937 near Ap Bia, this didn't involve the potential elimination of US unit (we were on the offensive). But it was basically all small unit fighting against a veteran, well-armed, entrenched and cohesive enemy in the last major set piece battle of the war. The backlash against the casualties led to the US avoiding major engagements from this point on. What I'd been told by one veteran of this fight was that by nightfall of the first day, ALL corpsmen of all engaged units of the 82nd Airborne had been casualties so they had to chopper in replacement medics and by midnight, all of those had been killed or wounded.
8. Mogadishu/Battle of the Black Sea. Because the numbers of engaged US troops were so small (about 160), there is a tendency not to view this as a battle. Well, all of our guys were volunteers and elite (a few SEALS, other all Rangers or Delta operators) plus the ability to call in gunships which means that they effectively a much bigger force with tremendous tooth (and no tail). One group was completely wiped out with Sgts. Shughart and Gordon 3 times requesting insertion to help protect the meager perimeter (first 2 times denied), all but one crew member were killed and desecrated, Shughart and Gordon posthumously were awarded the Medal of Honor. At the main crash site and perimeter there were 80% casualties with the majority of all wounded suffering MULTIPLE wounds (ie:got hit, kept fighting, got hit again). No cowards in this battle, no bystanders, every man fighting at a level that would have made him a hero in any other US fight. This was the US version of Rorke's Drift (which the British consider to be their own most one-sided and valiant battle in their long history of warfare).
9. Okinawa. The bloodiest battle of the Pacific, involved both Army and Marines. By this point the Japanese had learned not to contest the beaches. Their plan was to make the battle so bloody that we would not want to attack the mainland. This was as close to WW-1 trench fighting as we got in this war. The Japanese were so thoroughly indoctrinated to fight us to the last man that 1/4th of Okinawa's civilian population killed themselves rather than fall into our hands. Victor Davis Hanson argues very convincingly that it was Okinawa (and how fierce it was) that made it a no-brainer for the US to use the atomic bomb against Japan.
10. Wake Island. Again, this involves most USMC rather than US Army (so it depends upon only if you're interested in US infantry/ground forces or only the Army). In the early stages of the WW-2 ground combat, this was the best fighting of any US troops. Though eventually wake was captured, about 500 US Marines with some civilian help inflicted over 5x their numbers in casualties on the Japanese, sank several destroyers and were the only impressive defense by US forces for the early part of the war. Poorly equipped, hopeless circumstances, heavily outnumbers and outgunned and yet nearly stopped the Japanese on the beaches. Most of the Wake POWs ended up dying in captivity and over 200 of the civilians captured were executed (100 by beheading, 98 by machine gunning, some others by various means). Overall, about 33% casualties during the fall of Wake and much higher numbers in captivity.
A few comments:
–Hurtgen Forest would make the "honorable mention" list for me or maybe replace Wake. Just horrific fighting.
–There are blood baths (like the Crater) but I don't see the fighting as especially fierce. Lots of civil war engagements were a product of poor tactics combined with terrible leadership and upgraded weaponry. First Manassas is such an example.
–It's hard to see any of the fighting in the war of 1812 or Revolutionary War as especially fierce. We were basically amateurs. Those battles were critical but not fierce–our guys had a tendency to run, casualty numbers were low for all of these fights.